Tsunade broke apart the Ribcage Susanoo? Huh, when?
As always with Sakura fandom, there’s a tendency to use scans out of context to make her appear more powerful than she is. Here, Tsunade’s used to showcase that when Sakura took on Mangekyō Sharingan (MS) Sasuke, she should’ve defeated him … or something like that? Who knows what goes in this Fandom’s head. I’m only telling you what I’ve been seeing as this scan is brought up again and again ad nauseam to make an argument that, you guessed it, Sakura was robbed of a fair fight, you see.
Let’s look at the scan:
Unsurprisingly, this is completely removed from context: First, Tsunade took down a Ribcage Susanoo (Ribcage) that was being used by a Mokuton Clone, not Madara himself. And Wood Clones are impossibly weaker than the original body. Second, even then she didn’t do it on her own, but after six attacks that started from her first punch, then Mei’s two Suiton Jutsus, then a combined attack in which Ae’s body was made lighter by Onoki (Ae was using the Chop Attack which he’d used on Sasuke’s basic Ribcage version), and then her kick broke the Clone’s Ribcage Susanoo. So, please, can we stop with this Fan-Fiction that Tsunade broke apart any version of Susanoo on her own, literally any? She didn’t. She could barely crack the Ribcage Susanoo (literally the weakest version of this Ninjutsu) used by a Mokuton Clone, with her first punch when she was using the Released Byakugou Seal.
Let’s look at this in a step by step manner as I’ve been meaning to clear up this misconception for a long time:
First, Madara’s Mokuton Clone was using the Ribcage Susanoo when they all attacked and broke it. It was never the original body using the Ribcage.
Not getting into all of your assumptions but your entire point about Tsunade is easily debunked if we remember that lightened A, like Gai, broke apart a more advanced version of REAL Madara’s susanoo before we got confirmation that Sakura’s strength > Tsunade’s strength > A’s strength.
Sakura’s strength > Tsunade’s strength? Based on what? That Hashirama comment? Hashirama never saw the Creation Rebirth or its variant Jutsu; so your argument is irrelevant. I’m not sure what you’re even trying to prove here as you’ve posted a bunch of completely irrelevant scans and disproven nothing:
One) There’s no proof that Hirodora broke that Susanoo in any manner. If it did, then it means that Kisame’s body > V3 Susanoo, which is completely laughable.
Kisame literally took a direct hit from not only Hirudora:
But also a punch to the gut from Gai:
Hirudora is a 7th Gate Jutsu. And both times, Kisame’s body is perfectly intact. There’s literally no proof in the manga that Hirudora damaged Susanoo in any manner. If it did, show me a scan; but here’s a little secret: there isn’t any!
Two) Why are you posting these scans on Onoki? That’s a clone Susanoo. Did you even bother reading the post, or did you just jump in to post these? The scans you posted are from chapter 563!
(563-12):
(563-13):
The fact that the Gokage were fighting a clone Madara all along is revealed in 577!
(577-12):
^ See? She’s completely paralyzed, and her direct attack on a non-clone Susanoo proves to be utterly ineffective, and a tiny Magatama is enough to kick her ass (578-5):
What did you disprove, exactly?
Three) Tsunade’s strength isn’t more than Raikage’s strength that’s augmented by Onoki! Don’t be absurd! It says right there in the scan that Onoki had multiplied Raikage’s strength by making him impossibly lighter:
(563-12 & 13):
Kabuto’s literally saying that right there on the scan! The second scan even tells you about the ability and calls it Lightened Boulder! Jesus, at least, read the damn page you’re posting. Again, this is also a clone Susanoo, not an actual Susanoo.
Furthermore, it’s Onoki’s ability to make objects very light and very heavy. We saw him do that with the sand that allowed Gaara to pull Madara out of his Susanoo:
Again, the manga’s telling you that that Gaara isn’t doing that on his own. He’s doing that with Onoki’s aid only.
He also made Susanoo very heavy and saved Raikage:
It’s the same “Weighted Boulder Jutsu” that he used on Raikage when he attacked the Susanoo. He did that with the fucking meteors, too.
Tsunade and Sakura can combine their Byakugo strengths for all I care and they’d get pasted, anyway, as they’d never be able to match even a fraction of this. Not in a million years!
Onoki single-handedly lifted the entire Turtle Island, for fuck’s sake!
And in all of these scans, Onoki’s using the same fucking “Weighted Boulder Jutsu”! Who told you that Raikage managed to crack the clone Susanoo on his own when the manga’s outright showing you that he did that with Onoki’s Jutsu? So, no, Onoki augmenting Raikage’s speed and strength >>>> Tsunade’s Byakugo strength.
You disproved nothing. No, you only wasted my time by cherry-picking scans that show Sakura in some grand light by discarding everything else around it. Your entire post is completely pointless.
Lmao! You don’t actually know when Madara switched with a wood clone so the assumption that they were fighting one the entire time when I already showed you that there is a panel where he is unseen before the wood clone is sealed, has no backing.
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Chapter 577 page 6:
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Chapter 577 page 12:
So even if your theory that Madara’s susanoo is more durable than one of his wood clones is true (for which there is no proof), you don’t have any proof that A did not hit it and you can’t prove when he switched.
And yes Hashirama’s comment does make sense as I’ve said before since it shows authorial intent on Kishi’s part AND it also can logically be interpreted as him thinking that Sakura is probably greater than what Tsunade would have grown up to be as Hokage.
The seal is also irrelevant in your point since Sakura didn’t use her seal either, when Hashirama made his comment (it wasn’t released) and you and I both know that a released seal boosts their power and Sakura’s crater was beyond Tsunade’s in part 1 without a seal.
You can hate Sakura as much as you want but ignoring clear manga and databook facts in addition to the narrative itself is pathetic. She was foreshadowed to surpass Tsunade before in the manga and then she unleashes strength which Hashirama said might be greater and she said she doesn’t waste her seal chakra like Tsunade. This is a manga that 8 year olds can read so you resorting to all this mental gymnastics is hilarious.
Hashirama’s comment doesn’t mean anything.
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Tsunade had help from Mei and Gaara’s inneffective attacks before which weakened the susanoo although we didn’t see it so that means she got help.
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Madara said in ch 636 that Hashirama was focusing most of his chakra into his main form on purpose, not his wood clones and he beat them so that means with Madara in chapter 577, his wood clones’ susanoo were weaker so Tsunade still didn’t crack the rib.
^^^ This is desperation.
It ain’t a theory: In the first scan, Tsunade’s able to break the Clone Susanoo after the following: her own punch, two Suiton attacks from Mei, one hyper-fast attack from Raikage that’s powered-up by Onoki, and then finally her kick! Tsunade’s has literally never broken any form of Susanoo on her own. Not once. Not ever.
In the second scan, Madara’s able to paralyze her with a single sword stab from a real Susanoo, and her attack doesn’t even crack the Susanoo this time. Common sense should tell you that which Susanoo is stronger; furthermore, the manga clearly proves through clone Hashirama and Madara fight that the clones are significantly weaker than the real body: Madara literally bodied Mokuton Hashirama with a single stab from a ribcage Susanoo! And that’s how the Mokuton clones (even Kage Bunshins) work, Becky: they focus energy on the real body! You’re trying too damn hard by childishly nitpicking the shit out of them when they’re clear as day!
What do you mean I can’t prove that he switched? He outright says that they were fighting a clone all this time; Tsunade explicitly reiterates that. What the heck?
I’ll bet you’d move your goal-post again! Literally everything you’ve posted is made-up.
Lmao! Tsunade literally states you outwitted us by SWITCHING with a doppleganger and she said they had CORNERED him into using one so this totally debunks your point that they were fighting a wood clone from the start.
This proves they fought the real Madara then he switched before the sealing.
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In fact since this was in reference to him being apparently sealed then it means he switched after Tsunade and A attacked him and sent him flying.
All right, this is so fucking desperate and stupid, and I’m done with this. It says literally nothing of the sort on the scan; but since you’re trying way too hard, let me play at this nitpicking game, too: I mean, he outwitted all of them, but he only switched on the last attack according to you? Going by this logic, Madara only outwitted Gaara as he only switched when the sealing was happening when the scan’s saying the exact opposite: he can only outwit all of them (which is what Tsunade’s saying, as well) through his clone if all of them faced the clone! Keep digging. Also, is middle-school English too hard for you to read? Onoki is capable of lifting an entire fucking island. Tsunade’s and Sakura’s combined Byakugou’s strength can’t even match the tiniest fraction of that; so Raikage’s strength that’s augmented by Onoki far exceeds anything Byakugou Tsunade (or Byakugou Tsunade and Sakura combined) can manage. The dude can lift an island, you know? Use your common sense, maybe?
One more bullshit reply like this that’s choking full of Fan-Fictions, and I’m blocking you. The fact of the matter remains: Clone or no clone, Tsunade has never broken any Susanoo form on her own; Tsunade’s Byakugou’s strength is far weaker than Onoki’s augmentation of Raikage’s strength as he’s capable of lifting up an entire island (Sakura’s explosive punch looks fucking comical by comparison); and in order for the clone to outwit all of them, it’d have to face all of them for that statement to make sense. Besides, all of the Uchiha from early Shippuden and beyond take a nice, steaming spool of shit on Tsunade’s Byakugou released form. Same with Sakura. A 3-Tomoe Genjutsu is more than enough, given that this form of Genjutsu has been most effective at besting Genjutsu prodigies like Cee and Kurenai and suppressing and controlling Kurama of all the things. Susanoo isn’t even needed. They ain’t worth much when pitted against any Uchiha clan member. Keep making up Fan-Fictions. They don’t change a thing in canon.
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